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Breed Carefully, Train Litter All Together, Says Scott
The Red Ranger
March, 1949 Page 10
Brother Editor:
A young man from Texas inquires about hounds of today and other
days and complains because over a period of three years he has
owned 42 hounds and hasn't yet a good pack. This leads me to
offer a bit of my experience. I have hunted for more than forty years.
I am now 67. Of course, I have not put in solid time at it, but for
more than forty years I have observed and owned fox hounds and
observed other hunters in their handling, owning and training
them. It is not an easy thing to maintain a good pack of first class,
top notch fox hounds.
Many of us hunters don't know when we have a good pack. Many of
us don't realize that a good pack of hounds is a team and do not
and should not all be just alike--you must have the line and the
guards the same as the ball carrier.
But how to have a good pack? This is a plan I have used and have
seen other men use successfully. If you are completely out, then
visit among your friends until you find a mature Gyp that does the
job to suit you. Hear her more than once. If she has what you think
it takes, then stay until after day-light and watch her run. If you are
still convinced, buy her. Of course, she should be a carefully bred
hound. The time is long past when any hunter should spend time
and money on a hound of uncertain breeding; and more so, if you
want to raise. Observe, carefully every quality she has,
openmindedly. Note her faults as well as her virtues--she will have
some fault.
cont. next page

Then pick the hound to mate her to with a view to emphasizing the
good qualities and not the bad ones. For instance if your Gyp could
improve with just a little more speed but is a wonderful track
runner, then breed her to an extra good dog with speed and reach
and fire. Keep the litter. Hunt by yourself long enough to train them
with their mother. Cull them? Well, no, just keep them all. Nature
will cull some of them.
Now, keep seed. I don't mean for you to inbreed, but seed of old so
and so. This does lots to you. In the first place, they are probably
as good or better than you can buy; and, in the second place you
are more patient with them because they are from old so and so,
and in the third place, it is a world of fun to sit and listen to them run
and think of the good times you have had for the last thirty years
listening to old so and so and her generation.
I have a hound now, the first whose generation, I got from a fox
hunting friend of mine in 1922. He is nothing extra, in fact, he has
one bad quality which has cropped out all down through the years.
But, I never hear him top the ridge leading the pack, and he can,
that I don't think of Old Patsy, Porter, Dill and Topsy and the good
friends I have hunted with while I owned them; and , after all, don't
we own, feed and hunt them for a good time?
Chas J. Scott

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The Hunter's Horn
"Bitch" The Proper Name For A Female Dog
November, 1926 Page Fifteen
Cincinnati, O., Oct. 20
Hunter's Horn, Sand Springs, Okla.--
Just wanted to ask a question and satisfy a little curiosity. I have
been a breeder of dogs for many years and have always spoken of
the female as a bitch. I notice all breeders of every breed of dogs
except the hound breeders speak of a "bitch" while the hound men
speak of a "gip" or "gyp". Now Webster give the definition of "gip" to
disembowel; "gyp," a college servant at Cambridge University,
England; "bitch," the female of the dog or other canine animal. So
we find "gip" or "gyp" is no more "the female of the dog" than it
would be the hog, horse, or cattle. When you speak of "bitch"
everybody knows you mean a female canine. There must be some
reason why the hound people say "gip" and I for one would like to
know the reason. Let's call them by their right name, boys.
Yours truly, WILL S. SIMPSON
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ASK US AN EASY ONE
The Red Ranger
November, 1938, Page 13
Q. A subscriber in South Missouri wants to know where the term,
"gyp," referring to a female foxhound, originated.
A. Webster's new office dictionary does not give the word gyp. We
have searched early writings and do not find the word used except
by some foxhunters and then not until recent years. The Red
Ranger staff has never used the word either in writing or in
conservation. The proper term for a female dog or foxhound is
bitch. In reading English books over a period of many years we
have never seen the word "gyp" used and certainly it has no place in
the English language. The origin of the term is not known. If any of
our readers know who was the first to use this term we will be glad
to give them space to tell it. This question was asked by an
educator and we do not want to make a farce of it. We have our own
opinion of its origin but will not advance an opinion until all others
have had an opportunity to speak. continued on next page
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After reading the above question and answer, I went to the Webster
Dictionary Online and looked up the word "gyp" & "gip".. Today,
there is still no reference under the word "gyp" or "gip" to a female
hound. The word "gyp" as a noun is " A swindle in which you cheat
at gambling or persuade a person to buy worthless property." I
found this very interesting and thought I would share this
information with ya'll. If you have any input on this subject, please
email me with your opinions and I will put them in the next
newsletter.
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Quote of the Day (Webster's Online)
The learned fool writes his nonsense in better language than the
unlearned, but it is still nonsense." -- Benjamin Franklin
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Thinks Hounds Improved - Hunters Maybe Not
The Hunter's Horn
July, 1949, Page Thirty-three
Lexington, Miss 5-30
There are a lot of boys around this part of the woods that read The
Horn, but I never hear them sound their own. So if this misses the
waste basket you will know there is one old timer still able to blow
his.
I have been hunting hounds for 50 years and have run everything in
this part of the country that a hound can be trained to run. At present
I only run fox. Have owned most all breeds, have had a few good
ones and lots not so good. The hounds of today have more
endurance and speed than they had 25 or 30 years ago, but not the
voices or nose. But all in all I guess they must be better. Now just
one other thing, the hunters have changed. There are more
potlicker hunters now than ever. Not one out of 10 men that go
hunting and call themsleves hunters will stay over five or six hours
and maybe too they have got a pack of paper dogs. If he will
sharpen his ax, get his a can of coffee, a jug of water and go stay
until the race is over, kill all the dogs that will not finish a race he will
not have near so many to feed. There are more $100.00 paper
dogs in this part of the country than ever before, but also more sorry
ones. The fox are plentiful but we haven't the old Kentucky reds,
more of the South Dakota yellow, and they are hard to run. You have
to make them run.
continued next page
I recently made a visit to Monroe, Louisiana, where I lived for 20
years. They have mostly grey fox, but they have better races there
than we do here or at least you get to hear more of it. The boys
down there have some good dogs and if you don't think so, pick your
pack and go down there and you may find out some few things you
didn't know that will help you a lot. I have 9 running dogs and 2
pups, some good and some not so hot, some paper dogs and
some of my own breeding. I have 5 littermates, one-half July,
one-half Trumbo. Some are what I call good and I like them real
well. I am not much for field trials and bench shows, but make a
few. I like a good looking hound, but if he don't run right I don't care
for him. It takes lots of different kinds to make a good pack and run
a fox. Some prefer one breed and some another, some one type,
some another, so after all any dog has a place if he can find it.
Now my advice about breeding: Know what you want and try to
breed for that. Get as good a sire and dam as you can and breed
twice; you may hit and you may miss, but hear the dogs run first of
all. Don't breed to papers or pictures or poetry and you will have
better luck with getting fox dogs.
H.M. Garnett
If You Can't Lose-Don't Play
The Chase Magazine
January, 1954 Page Two
The Editorial below was written by the late Robert J. Breckinridge,
the second Editor of The Chase Magazine, in November, 1924. His
sentiments of twenty-nine years ago are still appropriate for they
express our policies now as they did then.
The field trial events and the bench shows of 1924 have, up to the
present time, been free from any aftermath of dispute or
discussion. We trust that all contests in the future will be held so
that decisions rendered will suit all, but if that is an impossibility,
then those not suited should remember that a judge's decision,
under most circumstance, is absolutely and irrevocably final.
Those who have complaints should make them at the proper time
and place or forever hold their peace. In the future The Chase will
have no space to devote to wrangling inuendo or insinuation. We
are heartily sick of hearing the lugubrious moan of the bad loser
and we believe the public will agree with us when we say "If you
can't lose like a sportsman and a gentleman, don't play."
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"No two men ever described a race exactly the same."
"Says Fred Kershner, "Some of the boys think more of their
pedigrees than they do of their hounds. All such men need to have
a race is a wide place in the road t park their car, a flashlight, a
bunch of weinies and a pocket full of pedigrees, and boy, oh, boy,
the race is on." Mr. Kershner
"A Lot of times the dog you hear squalling in the fence is only
standing back looking at the fence after the pack has gone on."
"Do you know that what sometimes breaks up your race is a hound
over anxious."
A hound that constantly screams at the heels of a nervous,
high-strung lead hound will sometimes cause a bad run-over."
"Too much mouth is as bad as not enough."
Red Ranger, Nov. 1938
Dogs Do All the Work in A Fox Hunt
The Hunters Horn
January 1975 pg 63
It’s called fox hunting, but the aristocratic fox hunts of England, with their well-groomed horses and prissily-attired hunters, are as foreign
to the fox hunters of the Arkansas Ozarks as hot tea at four.
They do it different in those bills east of Rogers. As a matter of fact, just last week end over 100 hunters gathered to fox hunt Arkansas-
style, in the 82nd yearly hunt of the Northwest Arkansas Fox Hunters’ Association. That makes it the oldest hunt west of the Mississippi
and one year older then the National hunt.
There are no horses used here, except for a few ridden by the judges. The real hunters here are the dogs, not the men who come from as
far away as Albuquerque, N.M., as Marc Alexander did this year.
The men, most of whom are farmers but also including lawyers, doctors and other professionals, mainly sit around the fire engaging in
good old-fashion fellowship as they listened to the dogs track down the fox.
Since the dogs do the hunting, a sideshow of every hunt is swapping dogs. There are always men at this hunt who only want to barter for
a better dog.
“What you look for in a good dog is one with a lot of intelligence and one that won’t flutter,” said Eura Pittillo of Garfield as a few hounds
howled in harmony with a fiddler nearby. “You look for a good-looking dog, one that’ll stay on the fox’s trail until he corners him.”
“Now, some hunters will beat their dogs to make them do what they want. We don’t have any of that here. And up north, they’ll drug the
dogs, so as they’ll almost run themselves to death chasing the fox.”
“Fox hunting is a clean sport here” said 70-year-old Dallas Moser of Rogers, who has been hunting since he was 12. “We don’t ever have
any drinking while we’re hunting. One thing I like about it, though, is that you meet the finest people.”
“Like Eura, he’s made this hunt what it is. He’s a jolly good fellow. He’s done more for this hunt than almost anybody else. He’s been the
president and secretary off and on for 25 years.”
continued on next page
And Dallas, called Dal by most of the people at the hunt, may know more about the hunt than anyone living. He can recite some of the
men who originated the hunt in 1893-Taylor Stone, Arthur Henderson, Charlie Weatherly, Bailey Jones, Jone Ford-and some are from
personal memory.
The hunt has evolved from being held at different places in Benton County to its permanent home 13 miles east of Rogers, a five-acre
piece of land off county road 95. It has been held here for the last five years.
“I usually go hunting about one or two times a week,” said Floyd Harmon. “Most of us go that often. Sometimes we run into someone else
out hunting at the same time.”
“But we can almost always tell who it is,” said Dal. “You can figure out whose hounds are howling by just listening to ‘em. You can just
listen and say, ‘Why, those are Floyd Harmon’s hounds.’
“I remember one time our hounds were chasing this ole gray fox. Pretty soon, we heard some more hounds. It was Floyd’s bunch. So all
the hounds chased this same gray fox into a hollow.”
“Yeah,” Floyd remembered. “Then that fox came running out of there and it shocked Dal so much, he pulled his overcoat up over his head.”
“Fox hunting has changed a lot in the past 10 years,” said Dal. “It used to be that you could go hunting anywhere and no one cared. They
landowners were glad to have you hunting, because we hunt about the same time a lot of the cattle rustlers are out.”
“I remember one time we came up on a cattle rustler just as he as about to steal this calf. We scared him off and the owner was always
glad we had been hunting. He never cared if we hunted on his land.
“But the owners nowadays don’t like you to go running fox on their land. Most of them are these monied people. The dogs sometimes
scare their cows, because the cows thing the dogs will hurt their calves. So it’s hard to find a place to hunt. That’s why we bought this
land here.
“I really do love the sport. We don’t never kill the fox or wolf. We just let the dogs chase them down and then we let them go. We never
use any guns. That’s the sport of it-just chasing the fox. That way, you’ve always got a good fox to chase the next time.”
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The Origin of the Dog Show
By Dr. Broxton B. Sawyer
The Hunter’s Horn
May 1970 pg 82-83
The unprecedented growth of the Dog Show in the United States has crowded the ringsides with a new look. Theses eager and
enthusiastic exhibitors and enthusiastic exhibitors and spectators are asking questions, “How did the idea of a dog show get started?”
“Who staged the first Show?” “Where was it held?” “Who judged it?” “Who got Best In Show?”
The path we pursue in search of answers to these questions leads us quickly to England. England was for so long ‘Queen of the Seas,’
and her shipmasters brought home to her shores the dogs of all nations. Many of these dogs were gifts from royalty to royalty. Queen
Victoria was on of the world’s most noted dog fanciers, and she had only to accept a breed as a gift in order to establish its worldwide
popularity. Most of these dogs, however, were toys and pets, picked up by the ships’ crewmen. The British people, being the natural dog
lovers that they were, took these dogs to their hearts. They loved them, cared for them, bred them, improved them; and very soon, were
anxious to compare them with their neighbors.
I. Preliminary Forerunners of the Dog Show
The Dog Show, as we know it today, did not appear instantaneously on a certain date as a full grown institution. It has, rather, evolved as a
process. Serious research scholars see the roots of the dog show reaching back into many practices, such as bear-baiting, bull-bating,
dog-fighting, etc. No doubt, some of the small roots lead from the ringside back into these practices, but more intensive research leads
one to conclude that theses are not the main large sustaining roots.
As we peek in on England, during the latter half of the 1700’s, we see the District Fair has already made its appearance. The first public
livestock show in the world was held in Sussex, England, in 1798. In 1801, Charles Collings started his famous “Durham Ox” on a show
circuit which lasted six years. Thomas Bates and the Booths were also famous for showing their breeding stock of cattle around these
country fairs.
In order to arrive at a definite date for the first dog show, we must observe a distinction between such phrases as “the first mention.” “the
first recorded,” and “the first officially recognized.” continued on next page
The first mention of anything resembling a dog show which the writer has been able to find is found in a book published April 25, 1841.
The name of this book is Motitia Venatica- A Treatise on Fon-Hunting. This book was written by Robert Thomas Vyner and has gone
through seven editions. Mr. Vyner (1804-1879) was one of the most honored sportsmen and scholars of all England. He graduated from
Oxford University in 1829 and was one of the most respected master of foxhounds in Freat Britain.
From the first edition of his book, published April 25, 1841, on page 24, he writes, “Nothing would be more likely to improve the breed of
foxhounds, than prizes, to be awarded by competent judges, to those who might excel in so delightful a speculation as showing a couple or
three young hounds in a sweepstakes. The awarding prizes to the best breeders and feeders of cattle has been attended with the most
beneficial results; and I see no reason why improvement in the breed of the foxhound should not be promoted by the same means. Some
years ago, three celebrated masters of hounds, Mr. Hodgson, Mr. Wickstead, and Mr. Foljambe, made a practice of showing a few couples
of their new entry for a prize, which was most appropriate, namely, a piece of scarlet cloth, to be made up into hunting coats.”
Subsequent records show this practice of showing foxhound puppies continued and became an annual practice of the Masters of
Foxhounds Association. The Cleveland Agricultural Society, in cooperation with the Masters of Foxhounds, provided a special show of all
foxhounds to be held at Red-car in the fall of 1859. This fox hound show was held; and a few years later, was transferred to Peterborough.
The Peterborough Foxhound Show is the Mecca for foxhounds.
In passing it is worthy of note that Mr. Vyner also published a Kennel Stud Book in 1840, this being pedigrees of the most celebrated packs
of foxhounds in England from 1808-1840.
The first recorded dog show was on May 30, 1850. William Davenport Bromley staged what he called a “Great Exhibition of the Pugs of all
nations.” This turned out to be more of a social affair than anything else. The exhibitors were listed in order of precedence in society and
the dogs were seated around tea tables and fed cake by a liveried footman.
The following year, 1851, Mr. Aistrop, former proprietor of Westminster Pit, advertised “A Fancy Dog Show.” All exhibits were for sale at high
prices. A report of Mr. Aistrop’s show is described in the Illustrated London News of Feb. 8, 1851.
Jimmy Shaw, May 11, 1852, began a series of “Grand Shows of Spaniels, Small dogs, etc.” at the Queen’s Head Tavern, off Windmill Street
in London. Thses early tavern “ leads” were preceded by tar killings and dog fights.
II. The First Officially Recognized Dog Show
The world’s first “officially recognized” dog show took place on June 28-29, 1859, in the Town Hall at Newcastle-on-Tyne. This show was
officially advertised to the public in a publication. “The Field,” May 28, 1859. They took official entries, published an official catalog, had
official judges, made official awards, and kennel clubs of dog authorities around the world refer to this as “the world’s first dog show.”
This show was organized by a sportsman, Mr. Shorthose, and a gunsmith, Mr. Pape, at the suggestion of a Mr. R.. Brailsford. There were
fifty entries-all bird dogs, 23 Pointers and 27 Setters. There were three judges for each class. One of the judges of the Setters succeeded
in taking first prize in Pointers, while one of the judes of the Pointer Classes took first prize in Setters. Mr. Pape, the gunsmith, awarded the
trophies which were guns from his own factory.
There were other Shows which followed: Birmingham, England, Dec. 3-4, 1860: Leeds, July 16-18, 1861; Birmingham, Dec 2-4, 1861;
Manchester, 1961; Agricultural Hall, London, June 24-28, 1862; and Birmingham, Dec. 1-4, 1862.
The first really large dog show was “The First Annual Grand National Exhibition of Sporting and Other Dogs,” which was held at the
Ashburnham Hall, Cremorne, Chelsea, from 23rd to 28th March, 1863. There were 1,214 entries with 15 judges. The dogs were kept on
benches during the five days, and were judged on the bench-the judges going from bench to bench making their examinations.
These shows continued without a governing body, without registrations, without rules, and without a publication until 1873. By that time,
everyone was convinced that an organization must be formed. In 1873, the world’s first Kennel Club was formed and was to be known as
“The Kennel Club, England.” Shortly thereafter, they began publication of a Stud Book, then the publication of a monthly magazine, “The
English Kennel Gazette,” and thus, a quick build-up of breed names, breed standards, breed registrations, and a show rules and
regulations issuing requirements for dogs, exhibitors, judges and officials.
J. Jasper Johnson Says
The Red Ranger - March, 1949, Page 12
Don't take a shy hound to a field trial.
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Don't take a pup to a field trial or bench show. The danger of
contracting disease is too great.
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Don't take people from other kennels into your kennel to handle
young puppies.
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Don't promise the owner of the sire of your pups the best two pups
in the litter. Have the division more equal, and friendship will last
longer.
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If you dispose of all the hounds your friends do not like you will
soon be out of hounds
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In all the hard running I have heard I have only known one hound
that could take the lead in any pack at the start and hold it all night,
or as long as the race lasted. Most speed demons at the start
break down in a few hours.
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Don't tell a man you are going to out run him. It is better to know
you hadn't said it than to wish you hadn't.
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The enemy of the fox does not have a leg to stand upon. Neither
does the snake but he gets around, and you'd better watch him.
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Married men who let their minds wander get into trouble only when
they start following it.
The Red Ranger November, 1938
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